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Episode 56: Reclaim the Lifegasm you Deserve with Dr. Fanny Leboulanger

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Ep 56 - Reclaim the Lifegasm you Deserve with Dr. Fanny Leboulanger

[00:00:00] Gwyn: This podcast is about sex and sexuality, so please only listen if you are an adult without kids or other ears around that cannot, or do not consent to sensitive language and content. Thanks.

[00:00:14] Gwyn: Ever felt the relentless pressure to become the best version of yourself? My guest, Dr. Fannie Leboulanger knows that struggle all too well. Welcome to What Excites Us, the show that discusses sex and sexuality through a variety of perspectives so that you will know that you and your desires are okay. My name is Gwyn Isaacs. I am a sex coach who has been helping people feel better professionally since 2017.

But let me tell you about my guest. Drawing from her rich background as a family practice doctor, a life coach, a yoga teacher and the podcaster. Dr. Fannie Leboulanger believes we should embrace who we are right now.

This discussion is a powerful call to action for anyone who is feeling overwhelmed with societal expectations. In her podcast, Your Sexyfied Life. Dr. Fannie advocates for self-acceptance and living fully in our current selves. Throughout this episode, we delve into the individualized approach to wellness, the importance of understanding and embracing our emotions. The nonconsensual S/M dungeon of our minds and the transformative power of sexual energy. Dr. Fannie also shares her unique perspective on the historical suppression of women's sexuality and voices. And how reclaiming this energy can unlock creative potential and a deeper connection to life's vibrancy.

Join us as we explore these themes and more in a heartfelt conversation that has sure to resonate with anyone on a journey of self-discovery and healing. Whether you're struggling with self-esteem, navigating the complexities of your emotions, or seeking to reconnect with creative and sexual energy. This episode is a treasure trove of insights and inspirations.

Not to mention that Dr. Fannie has a super fun voice and we had a lot of fun talking. But before we get into it, I need to ask that you check to make sure that you're subscribed to What Excites Us. And if you can spare a moment it will take literally less than two minutes of your time to please rate and review this podcast wherever you listen. It does so much.

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And now. Let's get into my conversation with Dr. Fannie Leboulanger. ​

[00:03:27] Gwyn: Thank you. Dr. Fanny for joining me. Welcome to What Excites Us!

[00:03:32] Dr Fanny L: Thank you for having me. Hi, everyone.

[00:03:36] Gwyn: I am so delighted to have this conversation. I've been listening to your podcast quite a bit, tell us the name of your podcast, just so we get that out.

[00:03:45] Dr Fanny L: It's called Your Sexified Life, and it's about helping people step out of sexual numbness, self hate, and reclaim the pleasure to feel alive.

[00:03:56] Gwyn: Beautiful. And I love. I mean, I enjoy the sound of your voice, which helps quite a bit when listening to

podcasts, but I love your message and that your episodes are relatively short, comparatively speaking, so you can get those, get that message in there. Um, you know, it sort of helps to digest, I think, if it's in smaller chunks. So your podcast is largely about your sexified life, clearly, and fighting the numbness. And I've found quite a bit of it to be about, I don't know, esteem, basically, like self esteem and, and feeling good in your body.

[00:04:33] Dr Fanny L: Yes, that's the definition of what I do, helping people step out of survival mode, to start living, and to start living, you need to be in your body, you need to feel good, you need to, also you need to bust out some of the self development myths that are going around and that drive me crazy. So, it's really about living your life and embracing the high peaks and the messy valleys, like, The highest good and the messiest shit, let's put it that way.

[00:05:08] Gwyn: Yes. Tell me one self development myth that you hate.

[00:05:15] Dr Fanny L: I think the biggest one is you need to improve to become the best version of yourself. This is the one that brings, that gets me crazy because it shows or it makes people feel there is something wrong with them and that they need to be improved. And society tells us that already all the time, how we're not supposed to love ourself and how it's considered normal to hate ourselves, that we shouldn't be more efficient, more productive. It's really this idea of just letting yourself be and allow yourself basically get some peace of mind.

And like, we have this expression in French that's literally say Not give a fuck. So focusing on that, actually allowing your, you to be yourself and to be where you are so that then you can start meeting yourself where you are meeting your body, work with your nervous system to allow space for new habits.

And new beliefs to come instead of wanting to add something else, add a new habit, add a new belief, add a new thing to do, add a new practice. And when you don't have the space inside of your body to do that. Then it doesn't work. So, it's really this one. Like, you don't need to be improved. You can totally live a life with your traumas and conditionings and be perfectly happy with that.

It's really, are you happy where you are? And if you're not, where are you willing to go? it's really finding the desire more than the, I need to fix myself.

[00:07:08] Gwyn: Yeah, yeah, and that it really is. It's pervasive. It's everywhere all the time in everything,

[00:07:18] Dr Fanny L: Yeah. And it's also about like, it's a question of willingness. If you think about it, like you should, if you're not doing that, well, if you're not getting the results, it's because you don't want it enough. No, that's bullshit.

[00:07:32] Gwyn: Yeah. It says nothing about all of the things that led up to that moment and what could possibly be going on that maybe isn't about this specific thing that you're trying to fix. Yeah. I like that. And the concept in general of trying to fix ourselves. I think it's, I think it's a misnomer, basically, that it's, it's not the right word. I like the way that you put that, that we don't need to improve, we can just be, and we certainly can improve if we want to.

[00:08:03] Dr Fanny L: And it's really something to be, you have to be brave. You have to be courageous to do something like that, to do that in the world like today. Where you have this constant injunction to be something that you are not, or to be the better version of yourself, or to be more, more, more, more. Or as in, it's an work world, or in spiritual world, or anything, it's always a question of more, more, more, when in the end, it's less, less, less, somehow.

[00:08:37] Gwyn: Yeah, that's really good food for thought. I appreciate that. What led you to doing a podcast to begin with.

[00:08:46] Dr Fanny L: I had been sitting on this podcast idea for a long time. I noticed in my medical practice, first in my medical practice, because I practice gynecology on a daily basis, I noticed that several patients shared that they felt safe with me and things like that. So part of me was like, okay, that's because I'm a doctor.

And one day I heard someone say, you have a voice that feels soothing. Okay. I have a voice that feels soothing. I'll keep that in my mind. And, um, what actually gave me the kick in the butt that I needed is when I finished my coaching certification, like the whole year of coaching certification, we had like a business training, And you choose which way you want to communicate with your audience or how you want to create your audience. Do you want social media? Do you want YouTube videos? You want, what do you want? It was like podcast. That's it. That's my cue. I have been sitting with it for years. Now it's time to get it out.

[00:09:50] Gwyn: So I feel like I should have done this to begin with, but you're a medical doctor, and you're a coach, and you're a podcaster. We just sort of jumped over all of that. It seems kind of important. So you're primarily a gynecologist, is that what I'm gathering?

[00:10:06] Dr Fanny L: I don't have the title of a gynecologist. I am a family doctor and I've been trained in the gynecology skills. So I can do what I call medical gynecology. Like the IUDs, the pap smears, and things like that. The birth control. All that I am skillful and I can do that. What I don't do is like delivery and giving and labor and birth.

And this is like a specialty for the gynecologist. So I am doing that on a daily basis. And I studied to become a sex, love and relationship coach. And so I'm mixing that with my skill as a yoga teacher as well. And at the moment you're like, okay, I'm a fucking Swiss knife. So what do I do with that? And that's why I ended up doing a podcast.

[00:10:56] Gwyn: Gotcha. So do you sleep?

[00:11:00] Dr Fanny L: Yes, I do.

[00:11:04] Gwyn: That's a lot. A medical doctor with a family practice and a coach, which is also a lot and, and a podcast. And then what was the last thing that you said you did?

[00:11:17] Dr Fanny L: Yoga teacher. I did yoga teacher training. I rarely did it. I rarely teach yoga, like only in privates and things, this is not my main activity.

[00:11:27] Gwyn: So that's your hobby is being a yoga teacher.

[00:11:31] Dr Fanny L: Exactly. If I want to, I can do that. Yeah.

[00:11:37] Gwyn: that's like a several hundreds of hours, practice in and of itself to get to that point. Wow. So tell me about your coaching programs. Do you work with folks one on one? Do you teach in groups? How do you, what do you do?

[00:11:54] Dr Fanny L: I, online, I work one on one. I am building the group for a group coaching thing. I'm still in the baby business steps of my coaching business. So, you know, the ugly part where you're doing this thing and you don't see, like, Not that I don't see any results, but like, this messy parts, the basically phase one and two, nobody wants to talk about, and you only see people in stage three, so I'm there and I enjoy it.

So I'm working one on one online and, in person, I'm doing in person workshops and I have an online workshop that is coming soon about building your thriving sex magic potion, which I'm really excited about.

[00:12:41] Gwyn: That's super fun. Can you tell us more about that without giving it away? Of course.

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[00:12:47] Dr Fanny L: I really, I'm really a fan of empowering people and really help them reclaim the sex life that feels true and that feels joyful to them. Like really, there is a whole part of how reclaiming a sex life that feels thriving for you helps you as well reclaim a life that feels that feel thriving. And There are so many things in magazines and on websites about how to improve your sex life, which I hate because each of us are different.

And, um, it's really a question of meeting yourself where you are. And the magic potion ingredients are not that complicated. They are simple, but it's not really easy to set aside how to do them. To have accountability while you are doing them. And it's really the idea of allowing yourself to create what feels true to you.

And this magic potion is about sharing the tools and how to use the tools to basically empower you to create that magic potion for the rest of your life. How do you use time? What is pleasure? What is self pleasure? All those things,

[00:14:09] Gwyn: Yeah. I like how you mentioned how it's, it's really individual, right? And it's the same thing that drives me nuts about people selling supplements, right? Like, so I have low thyroid, so I should be taking this, this, this, this, and this. It's like, well, Um, maybe I should have those things checked to see if the blood levels are in the right space.

And if not, then I should be taking these things. Right. But I, if I just run out and start buying all the supplements, they may or may not be useful. and I like how you're using that sort of methodology to put together a program for people, because again, who knows what each person needs except themselves. And sometimes they don't even know that, but providing them with the, um, the options is a really nice way to, to put it to, to start to move forward words.

[00:15:04] Dr Fanny L: In my opinion, that's what the role of the coach is, is to help people get from I'm feeling good to I want to thrive and help them discover and connect to their tools to get to this thriving point. And also share with them how they can go back there. When life happens and you go back to feeling just good, it's really about helping people building the tools themselves and holding the space for them to discover what you mentioned here.

Like in the end, you only, you know, what you need is just a matter of learning how to listen to it and not pretend you're not hearing it. And sometimes that's why a coach can be helpful.

[00:15:51] Gwyn: Yeah, and I think another important piece is the, um, being comfortable with where you are. So many of us are not comfortable with where we are and that we're trying to be fixed. We're trying to get to that improvement that we're not even really capable of doing that because we're not capable of sitting in the space that we're in that will allow the growth for the next phase.

So helping people. Highlight that or be comfortable in whatever mess or not mess they're sitting in is a really nice place to start, which is, brings me back to your podcasts is one of the episodes that I listened to was largely about that. You were talking about being comfortable with who you are and where you are.

[00:16:40] Dr Fanny L: And let's be honest, being comfortable with where you are first requires courage. As we mentioned earlier, you need to be brave in our society to say, hey, I'm stepping out of the self hate game that I see around. I just want to love myself. Screw you. So it requires courage. And so being comfortable in where you are, sucks. Let's put it that way, like, for real, meeting the emotions, meeting the mess, meeting what you have been consciously or unconsciously avoiding forever, like, that sucks.

[00:17:20] Gwyn: yeah, it's, it's rough. It's, it's like skinning your knee and then falling down and skinning it again, three days later.

[00:17:29] Dr Fanny L: Yeah, it's really about learning to be comfortable in that mess that sucks. Like, finding the joy to dance under the rain. Sometimes it's not a rain, it's a thunderstorm, but.

[00:17:43] Gwyn: Right. And not to harp too heavily on platitudes, but it's true that the only way to get through the pain is to actually be in it and to feel the hurt.

[00:17:58] Dr Fanny L: Yeah, and it's really important there to help people and remind ourselves as well that what you are in are just emotions. And emotions are just sensations given meaning by your brain. And emotions, if you focus on the sensations only. Never last more than 1 minute and 30 seconds. Maximum, and usually it's like way less than 30 seconds.

So if you just stay with it, breathe into the sensation, they get released. If it lasts more than 90 seconds, that means you have been caught into the story. And we are human, we all do that, let's put this out there. And when you are with the sensation, they suck, like the tingling, the fast heart rates, the waves of sadness, everything like this is hard to feel.

And yet, you are building the confidence into your body that it can manage, it can hold, like you will never die from sadness. Like, sadness will not stop your heart, anger will not stop your heart. But it can feel like it. Until you reconnect to how these are just sensations given meaning by my brain. So I can breathe into the sensations and let them go through.

[00:19:20] Gwyn: Much like actual physical pain. Which is something that I, coach, beginning kinksters about, like, Right. So spanking the, the only reason that we say it hurts is because that's what we've associated it with. It's our whole lives. Sensation is just sensation. It's not until our brain gets involved that we assign it a pleasant sensation or an unpleasant sensation. So, yeah, it's so interesting how humans were just, we're so macro and micro all at the same time that we are, we are who we are throughout from the very kernel of our being through our whole beings and that being comfortable with that piece of ourselves, all of ourselves is the best way to be comfortable with ourselves.

God, that's so pedantic. But it's true, right? that if we're comfortable with who we are, then we're more comfortable in the world

[00:20:23] Dr Fanny L: Well, yes

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[00:22:01] Gwyn: Which leads me back to another episode that that I listened to, was it the dungeon of our brain or something

[00:22:08] Dr Fanny L: love this one, the SM dungeon of your mind. I love this one. I'm super proud of it. I released a part two earlier, I think like last week about meeting the architects of the SM dungeon of our mind. It's really, I love this episode.

[00:22:23] Gwyn: Can you just give us, while I absolutely want people to go and listen to it themselves, can you give us a brief overview of it? Because it really was fantastic.

[00:22:33] Dr Fanny L: If you're like me and so many of us, you have mean voices in your head and those mean voices haven't asked for your consent to treat you like that. I love it. And there are so many voices that has so many origins and that have so, such different impacts regarding in how you feel towards them. And the good thing is you can play with them.

What I like to say, if like, if you have this fake Domina that is like with um outfit, take the Dominatus outfit that you can imagine, like she's here yelling you suck, you're useless, you'll never do anything into your in your whole life, you useless unworthy being. Yeah, change that outfit in light pink and baby vomit, usually the charge decreases.

[00:23:30] Gwyn: Oh my god! I had children, so, so, um, baby vomit is very visceral. Yeah, And what a, what a brilliant concept to just swap out the um the trappings

[00:23:49] Dr Fanny L: it really in my mind is just that first I wrote it for me because I was like, my head is an SM dungeon and I'm not happy with that. And when I wrote that, I was like, this is helpful because it helps release the drama. It helps release the weight. I think when we start healing ourselves, whether it's in self development or embodiment practices or anything, we can get so caught up in the weight of things, like figuring out who you are.

Talk about a mountain, like it feels like the top is something that I'm supposed to achieve and I have like weighted shoes. And if I don't get to the top, I will never discover who I am. And so all of this is really something, all of these metaphors are just something to play with and to let go of the drama. Because you only have one life, it's time to live it.

[00:24:50] Gwyn: Right. We get so hung up in the whys and the making meaning of everything, and sometimes none of that really matters. It's just a matter of live your life and enjoy yourself.

[00:25:04] Dr Fanny L: Depending on everybody's spiritual beliefs, there's a part that says that none of this makes sense, like, we're all dreaming collectively, and we're all part of consciousness, or maybe not, actually, nobody knows, and nobody will know. So, in the end, you're like, all of this is a big joke, but it doesn't feel like a big joke in my system, so whatever the fuck is going on.

[00:25:36] Gwyn: Yeah. yes, I concur. So Tell us a little bit more about your medical practice and how that influences your coaching practice. Cause I imagine that there's a lot of back and forth between the two.

[00:25:53] Dr Fanny L: Yes. And at the same time, yes and no, because when you have 20 or 30 minutes with a patient, you cannot do what you do in a whole hour coaching sessions. And we also do things differently because when you come from the healthcare practitioner, it's just like a therapist. When you get to a healthcare practitioner, it's because you're not feeling that well and you want to be well.

Or it's because you need the follow up, like regular follow up. Whereas when you get to meet a coach, you're like well, and you want to thrive. So that's different. Of course, these two types of practices influence themselves. For example, I know that in my coaching, I am so focused on the first rule of the healer, like do no harm.

It drives me nuts what I see in the coaching industry that is 100 percent unregulated people doing things that you shouldn't do. And in my medical practice, my coaching skills and tools are really helpful to start just planting the seed in people's mind just so that it unfolds a little bit after that.

[00:27:09] Gwyn: Yeah, that makes sense. And do you have a favorite type of client that you work with or do you work with all folks?

[00:27:18] Dr Fanny L: What I am able to offer as a coach works well with people identifying as women or with female at birth bodies. And I think overall, the people I love to serve. Are the one who are just starting the joy recovery process. When you are at the start of the journey where you know you need to love yourself and yet you can't stand your face in the mirror and want to puke when you see yourself.

You know that you should self pleasure to improve your life and yet your own genitalia disgusts you. I am really fan of building these bridges, these bridges to help people truly connect to the first steps so that they can have some autonomy and power later on. My mission is to help people get out of numbness, whether it's sexual numbness or life autopilot.

[00:28:19] Gwyn: I love that term joy recovery. That is so beautiful. And I think that it's something that is largely overlooked. Especially on our paths to improvement, right? That we don't even consider that joy is part of that.

[00:28:42] Dr Fanny L: It relates to the weight we mentioned earlier, like how everything is heavy when you start working on yourself.

[00:28:49] Gwyn: Yeah. What a wonderful offering to this world. That's so important. I mean, I'm a coach. I've been coaching for years and years now. and it's still that term is, is I've never heard it before. And I absolutely love it. And I think that it might be something that I've overlooked specifically drilling into to help people find, um, and I don't tend to, my clients don't tend to be that. At that place, I tend to work with people who are a little farther down the line. Um, just because that's the way that it's worked out. Not for any real reason, but maybe it is because I hadn't identified that as such an important building block. Bravo.

[00:29:36] Dr Fanny L: Thank for saying that.

[00:29:39] Gwyn: I fully believe that. And, and it's true that place of moving out of numbness. It's crucial. It's absolutely crucial. Thank you.

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[00:29:51] Dr Fanny L: The first step to self love in my totally biased opinion is first self awareness, and then self acknowledgement, and then self tolerance, then self respect, then self compassion, then self love and self cherishing. There are so many steps in the middle that are so often overlooked and that are so essential and that's why I feel so many people feel left out.

by the self development concepts. And when you go to a bookstore, you feel, at least I know that when I go to a bookstore, I feel like everybody's saying the same thing and that I, that doesn't apply to me. So it's really about democratizing all of these truly early concepts that are so necessary and that build the base. What comes next?

[00:30:47] Gwyn: Yeah, it really does. And breaking it down into those seemingly bite sized steps, but I know that each step is actually fairly monumental. That's, yes, that's the way to do it. And, um, while it is your totally biased opinion, I agree. If you're totally biased opinion, because it's We need to break it down. We need to, to see that these are all the parts in between and that it's not just one leap. Oh, today I hate myself and tomorrow I'll love myself.

Like, that's not, that's never the way it works. And if you try to do that, you're just going to stumble and fall and be back at the same place again.

[00:31:32] Dr Fanny L: Or bypass. And be like, I love myself, until you gain some weight, and you notice you don't love yourself. Or something like that.

[00:31:44] Gwyn: Right. This is so good. I really, I am, personally so grateful for the work that you're doing in the world. Because I deeply and truly believe that the happier we all are, the less likely we'll be to blow each other up. Oh, I'm, I need to let that sit and digest myself. That series of steps that you lined up. That's really nice.

[00:32:09] Dr Fanny L: You can check the podcast. I have that in the podcast coming.

[00:32:13] Gwyn: excellent. Tell us the name of your podcast again

[00:32:16] Dr Fanny L: It's Your Sexyfied Life. Keep the Y because I'm French and I did a misspelled and I was like, this is nicer. So I I'll keep the Y.

[00:32:26] Gwyn: Is there anything else that we want to be sure gets into the podcast before we go to our last question?

[00:32:36] Dr Fanny L: I think the main topic, the most important thing to share with people is however you've broken, you think you are, you are not. Personally, the journey started with how, first, I was unhappy to get my orgasms from my partner, second, all the patients that I couldn't help and had to send to a sexologist, That woman who was 34 and asked me, "Doctor, am I broken?" Whispering because she was 34 and never had an orgasm.

And my mission and all of us doing some healing work and helping people connecting to their truth is to help everyone remember that you are normal. Whatever you are feeling, whatever the challenge that you are facing, first, you're doing a great job. Because you're facing it and you just could have quit. Basically, you could have quit and leave this incarnation and come back later or not.

So first you're doing a great job. And second, there's nothing wrong with you. It's always a question of balancing what you've been given, the shit that you got from the environment, your talents and your gifts.

Know that your body is designed for pleasure. Know that your body is designed to heal, our bodies want to heal, that's what they're designed to do. And if we're stuck in something, it's because something blocks the way. And if something blocks the way, that means you are whole under that block. You are already whole. You're already normal.

[00:34:33] Gwyn: Beautifully said. Yeah, absolutely. You're already normally, you're not broken, not irretrievably broken. Like, we all have our moments, and that's just a part of life. Thank you. So I like to finish up my show with one final question, which is Dr. Fannie, what excites you?

[00:34:57] Dr Fanny L: Life. Meeting life. Allowing myself and helping the people I serve reclaim the whole palette of being alive. Because. When you think about it, sexual energy is life creating because it literally creates new human beings in the world. And when you connect to your sexual energy, you connect to your capacity to create, whether it's a new human being or your creative power.

Or, I mean, overall, I think there's no coincidence women's sexuality has been so suppressed. And how women's voices have been suppressed as well. And when you reclaim that, you reclaim your capacity to create, to connect to your aliveness. And then you get turned on by the force of life itself. And sometimes life sucks, but even then we're lucky to have one life and it's time to live it.

[00:36:01] Gwyn: That's beautiful. What a delightful conversation this has been. Thank you

so much.

[00:36:08] Dr Fanny L: I really enjoyed it. Thank you so much. Thank you for asking so much about my work as well. Sharing my work. It's. It's been an honor to be with you. Thank you so much.

[00:36:18] Gwyn: I would love to know what you are taking away from this episode. And you can tell me easily at the website, what excites us by clicking the little SpeakPipe button at the top and just recording a voice memo. Of course, you can also go to earthly desire send me an email you can rate and review the podcast and tell me there too. I do listen. And read all of the comments.

My biggest takeaway is the nonconsensual SM dungeon. That is just such an amazing image. And since I tend to call the things that make mean thoughts in my head hamsters. Now I'm imagining them in ridiculous porn style latex outfits with cartoonish quality whips. So good. It's so good. Please go learn more about Dr. Fannie Leboulanger at her website, which is Fannie Leboulanger. That's F a N N Y. L E B O U L a N G E r.com.

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