What Excites Us!

Episode 40: Tell all with FinDom Master Arch

Transcript:

[00:00:00] Gwyn: This podcast is about sex and sexuality, so please only listen if you are an adult without kids or other ears around that cannot, or do not consent to sensitive language and content. Thanks. 

[00:00:22] Master Arch: we were arrogant, we were alpha, we were entitled, we were, rough epitome of masculinity that every gay man was telling us Keep going, keep being toxic. Keep being who you are. Cuz I just adore it and it's like, okay, pay me for it. 

[00:00:40] Gwyn: Hello and welcome to What Excites Us, the podcast that discusses sex and sexuality, so that you'll deeply and truly know that you, your interests and your sexual expressions are okay. My name is Gwyn Isaacs. I am a certified sex coach who has been professionally helping folks feel good in their sexual expressions since 2017.

[00:01:06] Gwyn: Today's episode is on the more intense and extreme side. We are talking about things that average kinksters and other folks who regularly practice BDSM find extreme. If you choose to listen, and I wouldn't fault anyone who decides not to, it will likely stretch your limits of understanding. Now, of course, there will be a few that this isn't true for, and if you are one of those, I would really love to chat with you.

[00:01:37] Gwyn: Please contact me at whatexcitesus.com but for most of you, I ask that you go into this with an open mind and simply try to understand my guest's point of view. I'm not asking you to agree with everything. Just listen and accept his perspective, because the more that we can hear other folks and truly listen, which means hear what they say without forming retorts or instantaneously jumping to judgements and dismissing it out of hand, the more likely we are able to get along and maybe even be kind to one another. 

[00:02:17] Gwyn: So with that said, this conversation is with Master Arch. He is an OG fin dom and a lifetime sex worker who identifies as an emotional sadist and slut. He is constantly pushing the envelope and content creation, and for how he shows up in all of his fetish work, he can be found on Twitter at @allforArch, he is Master Arch on FetLife. Or his website is allformasterarch.com. And one last note before we get started. He refers to his primary partner as his little sister. She is not a child, nor is she his biological sister. It is simply a relationship style. Thank you Arch, so much for coming onto the podcast. I am really excited about this conversation.

[00:03:14] Master Arch: thank you for having me.

[00:03:15] Gwyn: Yeah. This is gonna be fun. Why don't we start with what it is that you do.

[00:03:22] Master Arch: Okay, so I have been a professional dom, pro dom, fetish worker, sex worker, instigator, whatever you want to call it, for quite a while now. And when I first started in my sex work, the internet was just kind of popping off the way it needed to, and just using that as a wellspring of clientele opportunity to like go past what the BDSM community was kind of blackballing me before already, and having extreme points of view around things and finding a wider audience that would accept and compensate me for catering to fetishes that weren't at BDSM parties, like emotional sadism, power inequalities that were very defined by sexuality, gender roles.

[00:04:13] Master Arch: I mean, it just, I like to push the envelope a lot. I really like making people uncomfortable, a lot. So getting into BDSM, I thought I was coming to an open community that everybody was kind of that risk taker, envelope pusher, edgy individual that I was, and I found it wasn't. So I went online and I kind of just made my own niche and I've made a virtual enterprise with being who I am unapologetically and having people support my life alongside it because I'm an exceptional human being.

[00:04:47] Master Arch: I have depended my entire income on sex work for a number of years, and it's very scary to like drop that or supplement that at times because it's part of who I am and it's part of who I made myself to be.

[00:04:59] Gwyn: Sure So it's something that you find personally fulfilling.

[00:05:03] Master Arch: Absolutely, absolutely. I gained great enjoyment from creating fetishes and reenacting those fetishes with people and meeting people at their level of fucked upness or twistedness or whatever it is, with very little judgment, you know, and just being a breath of fresh air and is sterile dungeon. I mean, it just, there, there's only so many flogging scenes you can see, or shibari demos you can watch and just, why don't you wanna push the envelope?

[00:05:31] Master Arch: Like, watch me tie someone up in barbed wire, but they're not gonna go anywhere and it'll take half as long to, you know, it's not intricate, it's not at all. But I find blood attractive. I find suffering attractive. So to like, give a scene of wrapping someone in barbed wire and just, you know, the feeling around that, the emotional sadist in me loves that too.

[00:05:51] Master Arch: So it's a, it's a new way of thinking for sure.

[00:05:54] Gwyn: Yeah. So are you. Primarily working with folks online, or are you, it sounds like you're doing in-person scenes as well,

[00:06:01] Master Arch: Absolutely in the years that I've been doing this, I have met many people throughout the years that met me at this level and gave me the chance and opportunity to do what I was gonna do with my agenda and my know-how, and my fucked up head, you know, and it's been both. Online, I find it a lot easier because then I can reach a global market and get the Europeans, get the Asians, get the, people that also, however, the language may be a barrier, what we're doing, they still want what I'm providing and we try to meet at a level of how can we do this, you know. And I speak money, so whether it's francs, kroners, euros, you're firstborn, like I take it all

[00:06:45] Gwyn: Right. You don't, you don't want the first born, I promise you that. kids, they're a hassle.

[0:06:53] Master Arch: But yeah, and again, like tribute takes many forms what someone can give me, I ask this of everybody that I play with, it's just like, what can you do for me? I need to have transactional friendships and transactional relationships because I'm trying to build my own community.

[00:07:09] Master Arch: I've been let down by the BDSM community, I've been let down by the global leather community cuz I didn't fit the political correct norms that one had to be in to be involved in leather or BDSM or any of that. I've done my own thing unapologetically and it just like, it may have isolated me. It may have pushed me away from given the opportunity because people are like, he's arrogant, he's brash, he's whatever. He doesn't take it seriously. But at the end of the day, like, that's your fault for not talking to me and hearing my point of view, because at the end of the day, I'm looking for my community. I'm looking for community support.

[00:07:44] Master Arch: I'm a trauma victim. You know, like I've never found support within that community. I'm doing this on my own and I have for so many years and I'm just, I'm ready to just fall into community and be taken care of by those that wanna support me and wanna realize that the value comes from knowing me.

[00:08:02] Master Arch: I will bring sex and money to any occasion. Like whatever it is. That that's who I am. like I said, I used the word unapologetic a lot cuz that's kind of how I show up. Like, this is no bullshit. This is really what I do. This is really how I live. You know, and I try to make every moment exceptional.

[00:08:20] Master Arch: I try to make every night with my little sister exceptional. Like, it just, that's the perfectionist that I am. Like I just, I have to live that crazy life that is gonna be sponsored by other people that is gonna, you know, have cuckolds in it and cash slaves and all sorts of people supporting me and the ones I love cuz we make it look good. You know,

[00:08:41] Gwyn: Okay, so if. Someone were to approach you out of the blue how would you carry forward? So online, for instance, if someone were to approach you, find your website or whatever, how do you begin that conversation?

[00:08:55] Master Arch: The first conversation again is money. It's just what can you do for me in a sense of, am I doing this per session am I doing this per week? Am I lifestyle? Like, how are we proceeding forward? Because communication is gonna be so much of what we do. I'm gonna have to invest so much of my time making sure you realize, yes, there's consent but also the intent that comes with that of, I am going to do this to you.

[00:09:22] Master Arch: You are wanting to explore these feelings with me and we're gonna take it to a level of whatever. I play extremely, these is this very extreme type of play and it's not recommended for everybody. I need that to be heard. Like we're playing in extreme realms and when someone says I want to know what it feels like to be bankrupt.

[00:09:42] Master Arch: You know, I want to take my bank account on a month that rent is due to zero. And feel that, and feel the stress of that to encourage me on the other side to work harder because I've lost my drive, I've lost my whatever. You know, I have to know what the motivation is to play that extremely with them.

[00:09:59] Master Arch: There has to be something that this is gonna enhance in your life. If I'm gonna make you worship the devil and you know, take your bank account to zero. I need to know what feelings we're working with. I need to know what your background is in this. If you carry trauma, if we're reenacting trauma, like there's all sorts of questions around emotional masochism and sadism that I have to cover those bases because we're gonna be doing such extreme stuff.

[00:10:24] Master Arch: And I have no psychological training. I have no financial advice training. I'm just a sex worker, you know, so making sure that my intent is clear, making sure that consent is throughout. And then at that point, it's just like, you know, what you are doing is reenacting trauma, triggering traumas, and consensually, taking advantage of people that want to feel cheated, want to feel shorted, want to feel bankrupted.

[00:10:49] Master Arch: You know, these are all feelings that we're working with. And I'm a predatory person. So it's just like that feeds that for me internally, being clear with people and having them offer their neck to a vampire you know, it just, there's something about that that I really, I love that willing victim that's just like, please pray on me. Please reenact something with me that nobody else can understand. Like, I love that.

[00:11:10] Gwyn: Do you find, do you have clients who are like, this is too much and I need to back off? Or do they just disappear? 

[00:11:16] Master Arch: Oh yes. Oh yes. Like financial domination has tinges of addiction throughout all of it, There are, there are tinges of addiction that you're playing with, and when you do intoxication, you have to be aware of like, what people are using. You have to have knowledge of drugs, you have to have knowledge of their use, watch their, you know, like, it, it's a shame to admit that the epidemic of methamphetamine that runs through the gay male community and just how much of it is being used, how much of it is being normalized, how the encouragement to always do more is there. And I just step in and I'm the one that just kinda like moderates for a minute. And yes, we can do more, but I need to know, A, I'm getting paid for what I do, and B, like we're watching this.

[00:12:01] Master Arch: You are not doing any more than I tell you to do. You still feel like you're being coached or you're being coaxed into something, but your use is gonna be the same. Only we're breaking it down into little portions. Right. You know, like, 

[00:12:13] Gwyn: That's intense. do you feel responsible for the folks that are working with you

[00:12:18] Master Arch: I feel responsible in the sense that in the time that we're together, I'm observing them.

[00:12:24] Gwyn: mm-hmm.

[00:12:25] Master Arch: But once we hang up that phone and they do what they're gonna do in a fucking methed up haze, or whatever, like I can't, I can't, you know, and it's just when the money runs out, like I'm done. Like, it's like therapy.

[00:12:37] Master Arch: It's just like you paid for your $200 session, you came to session, you expressed what you need to express, and then we're done. You know? And I have to disconnect from that. That may seem cold and heartless and you know, but I, I have a very, I have a confidence that I know what I can do. I know what I'm capable of, you know?

[00:12:56] Master Arch: And if they're wanting more and more and more, it's just like, dude, you can't afford more and more and more and I can't give you more and more and more. And if that's what you're gonna do and we're off, then hail hedonism hail excess like go for it. You know, do what you do. I just needed someone to watch you and supervise you during this time.

[00:13:11] Master Arch: And you paid the baby sitter you paid the therapist, you paid the sex worker. You know, hopefully you do better. Hopefully things get better, you know, but they're gonna do it either way, And it just to have someone moderating, to have somebody kind of observing, I mean, I think it's a little more safe, you know, if they do something and something happened, I would immediately, you know, like 

[00:13:32] Gwyn: Sure

[00:13:33] Master Arch: necessary precautions to know exact, and a lot of these guys are into blackmail, so they've already given me their full physical address anyway. So it's just like right there, and just like, okay, send it here. That's the only advantage to blackmail material that I have. I don't do blackmail, I don't like it. I, you know, if you want to do something, you don't need to be forced, like do it anyway. I shouldn't have to like hold your information over your head. Like I've documented the entire process of what I've done. Like I've always been a content creator, like, dude, this guy's giving me $4,000 cash at my feet. I'm totally gonna get a picture of this to show my friends. You know, like it's just, I've lived that life for so long now. The influx of only fans, models and Fin Doms and like all these people are just, I've been doing this so much longer and so much just, you know, before them.

[00:14:18] Gwyn: Just out of curiosity, how long have you been doing it?

[00:14:21] Master Arch: whenever AOL and Yahoo groups were a thing, that's when I got online.

[00:14:27] Gwyn: Okay, so the nineties,

[00:14:28] Master Arch: yeah, before, like right after

[00:14:30] Gwyn: early two thousands I guess, was when Yahoo Groups.

[00:14:34] Master Arch: Yeah. Yeah. Every time we got a new AOL disk, like just getting online for that 15 hours and just fucking, you know, whatever you need to do to get some money it was just, again, we were going into BDSM forums. I had just come from doing sex work that it didn't build contempt in gay men. But it certainly gave me the attitude that like, I would look at them and be like, if there is a way that I could ignore you and take your money, I would fucking do it because I'm fucking sick of listening to what you have to fucking say.

[00:15:04] Master Arch: And it just, it was a real genuine place because I was genuinely sick of it. And it just, my friend called me up, he's like, Hey, there's a service that allows you to turn your home phone into a 900 number. You can charge up to $50 a minute. Here's your opportunity. And the first line I set up was my ignore line.

[00:15:20] Master Arch: And I just literally wrote it as, do not expect me to say hello to you. Do not expect me to acknowledge you in any way, shape, or form. I want the emotional masochist that gets off on being ignored and paying to be ignored. And it just, I manifested that, I created that. And if you build it, they will come. And people thought it was great. People thought it was crazy. People thought it was innovative, you know. But again, I wanted that level of self-loathing where you don't even deserve to talk to me unless it's paid by the minute and you're groveling.

[00:15:53] Master Arch: Like it just that level of desperation is very attractive to me because I've seen it being a sex worker. I've seen how men fawn at me. I've seen how people treat me, and it's just like, oh, you're pathetic and desperate. This is gonna be a lot of fun because I'm gonna see how far you'll go to even see my dick. Like, I get more fun denying those people my genitals than actually like interacting with them in that way.

[00:16:14] Master Arch: Cuz they're so motivated by seeing it or they're so motivated by like tasting it or feeling it or whatever the fuck. I'm just like, dude work for it. Build me a city. You know? Like do do something for me that I can like benefit from. If I'm gonna give you this glorious thing that you fucking hold so much importance to on my body with my autonomy and my cunning ability to manipulate, like game fucking on. Let's do it. You know? So, but that's the sex worker in me too.

[00:16:42] Gwyn: Yeah. That's amazing. so do you work with people in real life too? I, we sort of touched on this, but do you do this work in real life 

[00:16:51] Master Arch: Somewhat yeah, somewhat. I mean, it just, it takes a very special type of person to wanna show up this day, you know? And if that's not happening for me at times, it gets a little scary because it's my income at times. But again, I do this type of stuff with my partner and we have a very, very rich sex life that involves time travel, astral projection. Like we're just, we're going through amazing stuff together. And it's just like, if the fish aren't biting it doesn't matter because I get to devote more time to her. And I love that. You know, and it just, that's my happy places with her. So it just, like, at the end of the day, it's a job for me, you know?

[00:17:29] Gwyn: Job's a job's a job.

[00:17:30] Master Arch: Yeah. 

[00:17:31] Master Arch: Yeah. Sex work is work too. And it just like, I love disconnecting from just so much gay porn and penis to just her and like it's rewarding 

[00:17:42] Gwyn: Sure. I'm so fascinated. I have so many different things wanting to talk about, but you mentioned writing a book and being an educator. Is that something that you are leaning towards? Have you written a book or? 

[00:17:56] Master Arch: well, so I have a podcast that I do. I am extremely dyslexic. I would need a ghost writer and I would really prefer to maybe do a movie. I think a movie would probably be a little bit better cuz it just, I don't know what I've seen about, I, there's a, there's a lot of me shaking my angry fist at reality television and being like, dude, I could totally write the show.

[00:18:20] Master Arch: Like, if, if they're putting this stuff on the fucking air, like on Netflix, like, I could totally make a movie about a male sex worker and the customers like it just gimme my 25 million already. Like, it just, you know, who's leg do I have to hump to get this to fucking happen? I'm very quiet and I mean, I carry a lot of arrogance about me and my life, but I've just never made those connections with people. I would hope to in my life meet someone that's like, we need to do this now. I'm gonna green light this. I'm gonna make this happen for you. Like, because I need that. I don't know what I need to do to make that happen for myself, because again, I'm a sex worker. I know how to be pretty, I know how to be manipulative, but I don't know who to talk to, to like, help me realize my dreams, you know?

[00:19:05] Gwyn: Yeah.

[00:19:06] Master Arch: It's like slaves are doing it by supporting it and like financially giving me what I need every month. But like I don't know who's gonna be the next person to Green light.

[00:19:15] Gwyn: Yeah. What producer is going to wanna be a part of your stable? 

[00:19:20] Master Arch: Yeah.

[00:19:20] Master Arch: absolutely. You know, and I mean that's the exciting part to me because then I won't have to worry about being on Twitter spaces anymore. I don't have to look for fucking cash slaves to fucking support things. I've got bankroll of movie companies that want my story and yeah, you made 10,000 this month off a slave, but I just got 25 million on a movie deal. Like it just, that's a flex I want to fucking put on all these cash masters.

[00:19:46] Gwyn: Well, I would not be surprised to see it happen. 

[00:19:49] Master Arch: Thank you. Thank you for your confidence. I really hope.

[00:19:53] Gwyn: Well, I mean, you exude a lot of confidence, so, and you've clearly manifested all sorts of things already, so there's no doubt that you can make this happen. If that's where you're aiming, I'm certain that you can make it happen. You also mentioned being an educator. Is that a pivot that you were interested in?

[00:20:11] Master Arch: I do have interest in educating people, but again, the political correctness around everything, like I am my own type of person, I know I'm not everybody's cup of tea, so I'm very, very afraid. Not afraid, but like, I know I'm gonna offend people.

[00:20:28] Master Arch: I know there's far more offensive people in this world. Like, it just, I don't, I don't need the back. I don't want the backlash. Cuz I don't care., it's hate. It's stuff you don't understand. Again, I would much prefer a conversation with someone around where we differ. Then someone accused me of being something and just writing me off as that, because I've been written, wrote off as a misogynist. I've been written off as a homophobe. I've been written off as a, you know, white supremacist. I mean, there are a lot of things that people have written me off as because of things that I've done. And it's just like, no, it's not about that. Like, ask me the questions and I'll talk to you about that. And I don't want it to sound like justification, but it just, this is how I live my life.

[00:21:13] Master Arch: You know? I have to deal with this. Like, I have to live with the stigma around that. I create the situation that causes its own stigma, have a little faith that I know what I'm doing, you know?

[00:21:25] Gwyn: That is one thing that humans are not terribly good at is having faith in other humans.

[00:21:30] Master Arch: And patience! Like that is such a major, major trauma trigger cuz it's just not having patience in me and writing me off is just, that's everything traumatic for me. You know, not giving validation to my story, not giving validation to my journey, not giving validation to that. I'm ultimately doing this to like, just, I don't know, as an artistic, I don't know why, you know, it just, there's a story behind everything I do.

[00:21:55] Master Arch: It's not just, oh we are, we're just doing this. Cuz I, I like tying people up and flogging them. No, it's just, I love extremes. I love unconventional and I love twisted, fucked up shit that it just, I want to find people that are the same. I know they exist within kink, but not in the places that I was at, you 

[00:22:13] Gwyn: Right, right. And I fully believe that everything on this planet is a spectrum that there is no binary except in computers and other manmade things. And so therefore, if you are recognizing you're already at this end of the bell curve, then you recognize that most of the people are up here in this middle part and you tend to lean on the extreme side. So gonna, it's gonna be a smaller pool of folks.

[00:22:42] Master Arch: Yeah, and I've just never wanted to dumb myself down to kind of like join the group and be like, okay, I'll do it your way. Like, sorry, didn't know you weren't supposed to cut that off. whatever, what, whatever, what, I'm just using that as a general, general example,

[00:22:59] Gwyn: No, that was hilarious. So do you enjoy more middle ground kink? That is a weird sentence, 

[00:23:07] Master Arch: Nope, nope. It doesn't. I can enjoy that that's people's expression of sexuality and great, that, that works for you and that's your level. But the people for me are the mad ones. I enjoy the extreme nature of being able to say, okay, this is a fetish, this is something that literally turns me on and, you know, makes me feel a certain type of way.

[00:23:29] Master Arch: And I'd like to explore that with someone and being given the opportunity to, for someone to trust me, uh, let me lead them, let me, you know, work with them. It's a collaborative effort, but it just, I can't go back to, yeah. It just, it, it doesn't do any, it's stagey it's cringey, it's actory, it's stand in modelly. It's, all sorts of things. And it's hard for me, like I challenge myself by putting myself in situations where I'll see that expression of sexuality, like going to swinger's parties or BDSM parties or hedonism or wherever I go in my world. And I try to listen to those people. 

[00:24:04] Master Arch: I'm like, that's real. Like, you know, pat 'em on, that's so cute that you're there. You know, like that ohhh you know, but it just, it's so much deeper than that for me. Like, I can't go back. I, there's no going back. It's just all in all the time. And I wanna meet people that can kind of like, respect that and want to do things that way and just need the guide to kind of shove 'em to do that. In my work and in my private life too, the, you know, the partner that I have is extremely patient with the fact that I'm an extreme personality and we're really doing a lot of major work, you know, around things that happened to us both. Like I said, there's time travel, there's fucking, there's all sorts of stuff. It's amazing.

[00:24:45] Gwyn: Do you enjoy any of the physical aspects? So like one of the things that I saw once at a big fetish party was somebody being crucified, and I was like, that's very interesting.

[00:24:56] Master Arch: um, physical, yes. If it involves blood, if it involves suffering, if it involves crying, if it involves taking someone to the, their ultimate limit.

[00:25:10] Gwyn: Yeah.

[00:25:10] Master Arch: Yeah. I, I've done several scenes of single tail bull whipping. Very heavy, very heavy. The last one I did, we, we gave her a lashing, and then we took all the whip marks that were open with blood and we pierced 'em with needles.

[00:25:25] Master Arch: I mean, just, yeah. I want you to, you get the scourge, you come to me, you get the scourge. It's just we're releasing something with our play. We're releasing shame, we're releasing guilt, we're releasing, you know, temptation, whatever it is that we're playing with, even if it's confronting your trauma and reenacting things head on and with props. It all really releases and it all really gives freedom to living a very free life at the end of the day.

[00:25:49] Gwyn: Yeah.

[00:25:50] Master Arch: You know, and that's why people do BDSM. Just because I play for blood doesn't mean somebody that's getting flogged or tied up or, you know, shibari people like we all do what we do, for whatever reason we do. And I don't shame that I don't, I may roll my eyes at it again cuz it's a little bit cringey and weird, but, you know, like, again, that's just, that's just me. I, it's not a matter of disrespect, it's just I'm not there like it's just, you're cute. We all start somewhere. Like if that works for you guys. And that's your comfort level.

[00:26:16] Gwyn: Oh, and over the knees spanking. How adorable.

[00:26:19] Master Arch: Right, exactly. Why aren't you doing this with sandpaper? Like, why aren't you like it? Just, you know, like, why aren't you being mean to her? Why aren't you spitting on her? Why are you cherishing her? Quit it!? Like it just, to me it's like humiliation and degradation are two of my favorite things too. So it's like to see women treated like princesses or like special little cre, it's just like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Like, degrade her. Come on. It's right there. You know? Solely, the views of Master Arch do not reflect the views of your podcast or any sponsors you may carry. But that is just me. 

[00:26:55] Gwyn: Do you enjoy, have you ever experienced being on the submissive side? The masochistic side?

[00:27:03] Master Arch: I am a survivor of child sexual trauma. So yes, I have done plenty of time on the bottom end of things, and I have done plenty of time as a victim, and I know the mentality of fear, I know the mentality of not feeling safe. So it, you know, it's any wonder that I play with those. But I consider the time that that happened to me and all the exploitation that I endured, all the sexual assaults I've gone through as a sex worker. I mean, it's just, I, yeah, I'm good. And as far as physical, like, I mean, I have done the leather scourge of you get this done to yourself before you do it to someone else.

[00:27:40] Master Arch: Like I came from that background. So I have had a little bit of physical, but again, most of the pain and stuff that I've went through in my life has been very emotional too. And it just, that's the type of shit that I want to inflict on people. You know, when people say that, like no permanent marks, it's like, okay, but what about mental scarring?

[00:27:59] Master Arch: Like, I'm always the one to ask that question and be like, can I put a trigger in your head that'll make you feel a certain type of way, like, for my benefit? Is that off limits? And people are just like, whoa, I've never been asked that before. You know, it's just, it's kind of like opening up a discussion like, Here, like you took, it took an extreme personality to kind of show you that yes, I do have limits when no limit slaves come to me.

[00:28:21] Master Arch: My favorite activity is adding limits to no limit slaves. It's like, cool, so you're going to tribute me weekly, monthly, like, how's this going? It's like, no, I would never pay anyone. It's like, okay, well you said no limits, so here

[00:28:32] Gwyn: Yeah, I just, at no limits. It's just like a giant red flag to me. Like you're clearly either inexperienced or, lack actual information. 

[00:28:45] Master Arch: Well, but 

[00:28:46] Gwyn: you mean? Because there's nobody that doesn't have any limits at all. Like that's

[00:28:51] Master Arch: but there is credence to people that want to experience consensual non-consent

[00:28:55] Master Arch: scenes and limits tested where, you know, they feel powerless, you know? And it's like, that to me is like, okay, if you want to have no limits, we can explore cnc, we can explore things that give you the opportunity to. It's kind of, and scene. But at the end of the day, like you don't have a say. You don't, you know, like, can we play it for 24 hours? Can we play it for a week? Can we play it for a month? Can we play it for a year? Like, how far can we take that? You know, and it just, the opportunistic fucking predator that exists within me wants to test every little part of that immediately. So that we get into the routine and the rhythm of it.

[00:29:33] Master Arch: And warmups are cool after care is great, you know, but just ramping it up immediately and just taking it to a level of extreme is kind of my MO. Like I don't have that sensu or erotic side to me at all. You know, sensation play kind of confuses me. Like I, again, it's just like, okay. I get my little sister softies after I've done horrible, horrible things to her. That's about, you know, that, that's the aftercare that I'm used to doing on that. So

[00:30:01] Gwyn: I appreciate your clarity in all of this. 

[00:30:04] Master Arch: To be, have to be.

[00:30:06] Gwyn: Yeah, you do. You do have to be. But I think that when people think about this, they assume that there isn't. And maybe they've run into people who don't have the wherewithal to think things through carefully. Or maybe they just think everything is, like a porn movie, where you don't actually see the negotiation ahead of time.

[00:30:28] Gwyn: But I think that, a lot of the fear in our society around these topics come from lack of understanding that someone who can do this can actually think things through and be thoughtful about what it is that you're doing with these folks.

[00:30:44] Master Arch: Well, a mindfulness is very important around this and just ownership of it, you know? I mean, we have people like Andrew Tate that just, they're horrible, horrible people. And if he at one time had been like, look, I'm a predator. I'm totally manipulating people. I'm totally capitalizing on people. I'm taking advantage of cultures. Like people would be like, this is awful, but at least he's saying something, you know, like, but I'm open and honest with the fact that I'm taking you to the end. I'm taking you to the other side. You know, not in the way of snuff, but just, leading people through life.

[00:31:22] Gwyn: Yeah.

[00:31:24] Master Arch: Because a lot of the work that I've done as a sex worker too, and I did this, I did a podcast where I talked about this. This is for a while there, like, 10 years ago now I'm horrible with like time, but like five of my friends became terminal all at the same time.

[00:31:41] Master Arch: And they were all really good friends and I was always honest with them. And they're like, look, we know you're a slut. We know you're a sex worker. Would you have one last erotic exchange with us before it all goes downhill? And I call it death escorting or death, you know, whatever. But it's like having a sexual exchange with someone before they know they're gonna die or before they know their life is gonna get considerably better.

[00:32:04] Master Arch: They won't be able to feel the pleasure that they feel at this point in their life. And just quick, opportunistic moment to, I'm totally down to fulfill that, you know? And I totally want to fulfill that because I love sex. I love being a slut. I love exploring people that way and coming with people and whatever body that is, or whatever form that takes, yeah we can make that work.

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[00:32:25] Gwyn: you know, frequently when I tell people what I do for a living, they ask for a hot sex tip. So what I say, not really knowing them or any of their situations is that most sexual issues can be helped with more and better conversation, or lube or both. Now, conversation is really on you, although I can help you if you'd like me to. I do that as a coach.

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[00:34:15] Gwyn: Do you have, besides your partner, do you have sexual relationships with folks that is not transactional?

[00:34:23] Master Arch: Yeah, yeah. but again, I, it's about me. I don't take a lot of charity cases. It has to, it has to, it has to gratify me in some way, shape or form. And it, it's unfortunate because the things that I am requiring is someone that can be degraded, someone that can be humiliated, someone that will eat my ass every other night, you know, like whatever, just horrible things I can think of to make you feel stupid, inferior, you know, whatever it is.

[00:34:50] Master Arch: Cuz I have my spot for cherishing. My little sister is my cherished, like she is the one that She gets patience, she gets all these other things. And like other physical relationships, just, they don't matter as much. you know, they don't strike me the same way. They don't have the same pitter pattern in my heart.

[00:35:07] Master Arch: So it just, I've done poly so many different ways. Like this feels right and what we're doing now is just I get to slut around, and we slut together, you know, like whatever it is that we're doing, she's there for, you know. Either as a voyeur a facilitator or something with her. and we just started this, so it's exciting to see where it will go.

[00:35:27] Master Arch: But we really are working a lot around definition and slowing down enough to be like, hey, what did you mean by that? Oh, because I totally thought this, you know, and just, yeah, two impulsive people, two really impulsive people, slowing down time enough to like go back in time. And also like now time to like, just really be clear with what we're doing together.

[00:35:51] Master Arch: Cuz it just, it is a shared journey. I'm devoted to her. I'm very devoted to her and that's a new thing for me too cuz I've always been a cheater. I've always been a slut. I've never understood monogamy as a paradigm in anyway. But like, I'm so emotionally monogamist to her. It's disgusting. So

[00:36:07] Gwyn: You find yourself being annoyed 

[00:36:09] Master Arch: hey, so annoyed.

[00:36:11] Master Arch: I'm like, why can't I just fuckin'? Yeah. Yeah. It's hard sometimes, but you know, again, like it helps having other partners that are totally debasing themselves for your amusement to remind you why you do it. So there is that as well.

[00:36:26] Gwyn: Do you have a, uh, pay scale structure, or do you base it on what people offer? 

[00:36:32] Master Arch: fuck you pay me. That's, that's the pay scale structure right there. It's just, I wanna know what the budget is. I want to know how long we're working for, and really like, the rush that people get from winning a large amount of money is not nearly as great as the amount that they get from losing.

[00:36:53] Master Arch: So to take a large sum of money directly from someone as a deposit, it's a feeling. It's a feeling. And it just, it's a feeling like that gets comforted at the end because like, you're investing in my time really. Like you see the mind that you're working with here, like, If I'm working with someone, I'm investing all that energy into making this scene the best for you, you know, and making your feelings be felt, you know, so to say, I work at $200 an hour.

[00:37:25] Master Arch: Like, it just, it doesn't work that way. Like, what's available? How quick can we get you to zero? Like, it just, how can we give you that immediate rush of losing that money, you know, that's nda. For me, it's a, it's a branch of emotional masochism. I consider it in the same places as cuckolding the same places as, you know, degradation.

[00:37:45] Master Arch: Like, it's a feeling, there's a feeling around it. When you lose money, you know what that feels like. It sucks. Some people love it, you know, just like, getting a shot at the doctor sucks. Some people love it, you know, it just, it's an unconventional, masochistic feeling, you know, that I just, I love those unconventionals.

[00:38:03] Master Arch: I love those places that people just don't go, or understand how to go to. You know, and I have experience doing it, so I love educating people and having practical experience with it. 

[00:38:15] Gwyn: So it sounds like you are also getting a rush from it, not just a paycheck. Is that true?

[00:38:22] Master Arch: Rush is being the facilitator and getting the trust from somebody and taking the trip with somebody and being that kind of spirit guide through it and knowing that on the other end we're just gonna be like, laughing about it or just laying in bed and bliss together about it or whatever, you know,

[00:38:35] Gwyn: and also a paycheck. Yeah. 

[00:38:37] Master Arch: Well, yeah. in the work that I do, yes, it is 100%. Fuck you pay me. And it just, everybody has what they have to give. And like sure. At this point there are a cash slaves that, look, I have $40 a month, I can give you $10 a week. And that is stretching me. And it's just like, yeah. I want to, you know, like as much as I want to explore that with you, I don't have the hours that you need to talk to somebody about this and be excited about this with somebody. It's more, find another guy. Introduce the fact that you're an emotional masochist. Tell 'em that you want to feel broke. Spread the word of this. Talk about this with people. Have the conversation with this.

[00:39:16] Master Arch: And there's somebody that'll really love that they're making 10 bucks a week. Cuz there's guys that post on Twitter. They're like, yo, just cash trained this slave for 50 bucks. And it's like, you're cute. You know? Like, sit down bro. But there's also guys that are making 30,000 a month. through Only Fans I'm just like, bro. Like, okay, I, I'm not making that anymore, but like, go on with your bad self. I see you, you know, like and it just, it sucks because there is no fraternal order of brotherhood within any of it. It's every man for themselves. Money changes, everybody. It doesn't matter if you're top, bottom, master, slave, mistress, money will change everything. And it's bringing out greed in people. Nobody's talking about what they're doing. Nobody's sharing insights as to what they're doing. It's just, one big flex of, look how much money I'm making. It's not, look what I'm doing with this money.

[00:40:05] Master Arch: I don't know. It's just there's other stuff you could be doing with it and like, I guess that goes with sex work. Spend it like it's stolen, you know? Like you just don't ever know when it's gonna stop. So might as well buy a Lamborghini, you know, whatever.

[00:40:19] Gwyn: I mean, a lot of people have a lot of really odd relationships with money, right? Scarcity mindset is rampant and in our reality understandable. And,

[00:40:32] Master Arch: Try having a scarcity mindset with a cash master in your life with a ruthless cash master in your life. 

[00:40:39] Gwyn: I, I really have a hard time wrapping my head around that. I don't quite get it, but I don't have to, so it's okay.

[00:40:46] Master Arch: Yeah I mean, again, it's just, it's a level of masochism that I don't really understand either, but I cater to it. You know, I find over and over and over again that there are people that have unconventional masochism that I, I am always surprised by, you know?

[00:41:02] Gwyn: Yeah. You mentioned that. It's every man for himself does it feel like competition 

[00:41:07] Master Arch: Of course it does. Of course it cause money's at stake, you know, and that's when you don't show your cock, when you're not like, Flexing your body. I mean, we're always flexing our bodies cuz it's like, that's part of it, but it's just like, how do you show your body in a way that's sexy and also provocative and also gonna relapse someone to pay you and how do you exude?

[00:41:30] Master Arch: How do you get things across in content? You know, because a lot of these people are content creators too, so it's like, do they video somebody going to the ATM taking out money and giving it to them and showing that and just like the reality of that? Or do they do a photo set of their last foot worship session?

[00:41:47] Master Arch: You know, for me it's always been about, I like single images that just kind of like stop you in your tracks and like make you think and be like, whoa, like, it evokes an emotional reaction in you as well. So it's like blasphemy stuff. Um, I mean, there's just a lot of really fucked up shit that you can do in the name of fetish that really evoke an emotional reaction out people, you know, and I've always loved pushing that envelope there too. And again, finding bottoms and finding subs that are just like, fuck yeah, let's do this together collaboratively, because I get off on this too, you know?

[00:42:21] Gwyn: Yeah, so you cater primarily to gay men.

[00:42:23] Master Arch: I cater to everybody. I cater to everybody. I solicit women all the time too. But

[00:42:28] Gwyn: Oh yeah?

[00:42:29] Master Arch: I know the people that are gonna have money are gay men. You know, like at the end of the day, I'm speaking money so I can, I can be pretty in the face of a woman. She's like, you're attractive. It's like, yeah, it doesn't mean you wanna pay me, you know?

[00:42:43] Master Arch: And like, too, but, you know, I, I, I really, I enjoy long walks to the bank and, you know, unequal power dynamics. So I don't think we're probably gonna be a match, so Thank you. I know. I'm beautiful. We're good.

[00:42:56] Gwyn: Carry on. Have you had any women who were

[00:43:00] Master Arch: yes. yes. I've had both female cash slaves and female clients. I did a lot of escorting for women. I learned a lot about women through being an escort for women, and just, again, I've done every branch of sex work that exists, so it just, and I'm a sexual being. That's been, my body count is well over a thousand. So it just,

[00:43:20] Gwyn: Sure. 

[00:43:21] Master Arch: I've had exchanges with people where part of my trauma response is hyper fixation, so it's like I'll pay so much attention to someone and have that mirror up there so close to them that it's just like, even if we're casually playing, you know, I, I've had casual people that are just like, the only people that like, notice this about me are my mom.

[00:43:38] Master Arch: And it's like, well, yeah, because I'm paying such close attention to, as a predator and a trauma survivor, that I take this curse of hyper fixation and use it to just better serve me in my sex work and my personal relationships. So women love attention being paid to them. But I've literally had women be like, why are you watching me so intently?

[00:44:00] Master Arch: Like, stop noticing these things about me because it's like, it's so scary sometimes how perceptive I am to people's emotions, to people's traumas, to people's mannerisms, like, I love being like, Hey, you do this cuz this happened to you. Let's do that together. Because I find that really, really hot. Muscle memories that come from trauma are the hottest things in the world to me. ugh.

[00:44:21] Gwyn: You give us an example?

[00:44:22] Master Arch: I'll just leave that like, yeah, like there's just, there's, there's things and I just, you know, the body keeps scoring it. Just however people carry their trauma, you know, and like, It just, it goes along with what I like. It goes along with claiming empowerment through trauma, you know.

[00:44:39] Master Arch: And there's a lot of stigma around people that present in the bedroom, however they present, you know, and just, you can't take away these things. And unless you're paying attention too, you wouldn't know. It's just like, okay. Like, but I love, again, like, especially with my partner, just yeah, the muscle memory, the fucking, the, just the everything. It's just, it's beautiful to me. Oh, pitter patter.

[00:45:03] Gwyn: Aw, as brash as you are seeing you get a little emotional is very sweet.

[00:45:12] Master Arch: The things that we're doing are so horrible and unpolitically correct. So that's the, that's the beauty behind all of it is just like, I'm pitter patter over the most like dark age play fucked up scenarios that just exist cuz it just like that's our love language. 

[00:45:27] Gwyn: Well, 

[00:45:27] Master Arch: why so,

[00:45:28] Gwyn: yeah, I mean obviously that's what gets you going and that's how you ended up here where you are. If somebody were interested in doing what you do, what would you tell them?

[00:45:40] Master Arch: Don't we get to the professionals? Like there's just, there's no way to teach this. Like, I've tried to teach people how to do financial domination. it's not lucrative to me. And at the end of the day, if I'm taking a cut of what you're banking, you're going out and doing sex work, just call me your fucking pimp.

[00:45:59] Master Arch: Like, let's just be real with it. Like, Seriously, I'm not your coach. I'm not your manager, whatever, like it's just no, go out there and fucking work for daddy. Like, make me fucking money. Cuz I taught you everything I needed to know about the hustle, about the whatever. There is no days off with this.

[00:46:15] Master Arch: There is no, you know, like I'm all about this all the time, and you wanna learn how to do what I do. Be about this all the fucking time and meet people that want to be about this all the time. Because now you're in my circle and we're both about this all the time, or we're both bringing in money and we have slaves bringing us in money and we're all supporting each other and nobody goes hungry. Nobody goes unfed.

[00:46:37] Master Arch: You know, that's what I want. I want community, I want help. I want support. You know, like any gay man can tribute me, anybody can hand me a $200 tribute or a thousand dollars tribute, whatever, but the people that are around long term that wanna support my life, Again, like community, I don't have, I have individuals that wanna send me to Jamaica and watch me fuck guys' wives for two weeks, you know, which cool, I'm down, I'll get great pictures of that. Variety's the spice of life. You wanna see a whole bunch of vaginas, cool, whatever. 

[00:47:11] Gwyn: Yeah. So what does community mean to you?

[00:47:14] Master Arch: More than the support of just me and my little sister. Like other people showing up as their best selves and making money in that and us all throwing that communally into a pile so we can live so we can not have to worry about all getting jobs. Not, you know, just community of sex workers, community of kinksters, community of chefs, community of whatever, just transactional things. They're like, where is your value? What do you bring to this? I bring sex and money. What do you bring? Service. You bring culinary expertise. Great. You're the cook. You know, like, we're gonna give you our money every week. You plan the menu for us. You make sure that it we're fed.

[00:47:52] Master Arch: You Make sure that we can be online for eight hours at a time on Twitter spaces, and when 12 o'clock rolls around, you're there with my sandwich. You know, so I can feed my brain to keep doing the things I'm doing so we can keep having money roll in, you know?

[00:48:07] Gwyn: So you're talking about a physical community, 

[00:48:09] Master Arch: Absolutely. and even if it's online, that level of support is great. But it just, again, like I need to feel that I'm being supported. Thoughts and prayers mean nothing. Buy me a subscription to a food service. Like hear what I need in my life and do something for me. 

[00:48:26] Master Arch: Like, this is who I am. I wanna get paid for being who I am. You know, and it's just, it's arrogant as fuck to say that. And I know everybody lives that, but it just, I wanna do it because I wanna support those around me too. You know, like it's kind of a Robinhood mentality of stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. But it just, I've always carried that. And every time I do sex work and then, get people involved in it, I want to see people thrive within it. You know?

[00:48:55] Master Arch: From a self-made perspective of someone that again, came on the internet and started really pursuing this financial domination life before Only Fans, before sex became any type of normalized and radicalized. I'm a person of manifestations and even if I don't have the words for it, I can give you the actions. This whole thing, just one improvisational art piece for me in the end, you know, of like, wow, I really made it like, you know, where do we, you know, like 

[00:49:21] Gwyn: That's a beautiful vision of life. I mean, if more people could just feel that it was just really a giant improvisational art piece, I think that we would be so much less stressed about every stupid

[00:49:33] Master Arch: totally, totally, and it just like, and that's the thing too with fetish and like call out culture. Like start just acknowledging that this is part of you again, like, make it funny, do humor about it, do art about it, do whatever about it, and just make it your own sense of expression. So when people start experiencing this and like hearing about it, they're like, no, these people are extortionists.

[00:49:58] Master Arch: No, these people are, you know, taking advantage of people. I mean, it just we're the representatives to the rest of the world explaining to them what it is we do. And that's why I do my podcast cuz it's like, it explains so clearly about how I feel about financial domination and how I feel about male for male financial domination.

[00:50:17] Master Arch: Like I haven't talked to enough females because the females I talk to are just so like Domme attitude of just like, no, they're men and they should be paying us. And it's like, I get it. I feel the same way. Like, can't we meet at the same place and be like, fuck men? Like I don't know. There's no sense of brotherhood or fraternal order of anything on it. Male, female, anybody. Nobody's talking.

[00:50:38] Gwyn: That's a shame.

[00:50:39] Master Arch: Everybody's flexing. Everybody's look what I made. Look what I did. You know? And it's like, For the cerebral subs that enjoy hearing people discuss topics or discuss stories or discuss their favorite dom or like, you know, maybe it'll give an insight to somebody. Maybe you'll get a new customer hearing.

[00:50:56] Master Arch: You know, you talk on my podcast because they didn't, they were so used to you being on your live space saying, gimme $20 faggot, you know, like that's all they hear from you. But then you come up the podcast and they're like, oh, you really have a brain. You know, like it's good for everybody.

[00:51:10] Gwyn: Well, that's a perfect segue into my next question, which was what's your podcast?

[00:51:16] Master Arch: Uh, it's called the Cash Cast. It's on Spotify, it's hosted by me. And my co-host is a guy named Soups, which is short for Sexy Superman. He's a gay man out of Ireland, Scotland. and he's just, my little sister calls a good cop, bad cop cuz he's very like, do, do and I'm very, no fuck you. Like, just, we're complete different types, you know?

[00:51:39] Master Arch: And I bring a lot of humor to it cuz I enjoy trolling people and I enjoy making people think. So, when I talk to other masters it's great. And one of my favorite ways of playing with people is ego reduction. So it's just like, don't come on here with that master bullshit. Like, we're all equals on this podcast.

[00:51:54] Master Arch: We're all just as alpha as each other. We're all just as whatever. Like, you're no better than us and I, I love providing that avenue for that, you know? And if somebody came on with ego, I'm just counting down the days until somebody just gets into it with me. Like, no, you're fucking wrong. And here's why. You're ignorant. You've been on the scene, literally, like we've talked to guys that have only been on the scene, the Fin Dom scene for weeks. And they're getting like their teeth cut on like Twitter and just like, really? You think you're a Fin Dom what makes you so special?

[00:52:23] Master Arch: Can you talk about it for an hour? Can you make it seem interesting for an hour? Cool. I'll give you that opportunity. The cream will always rise to the top. Always rise to the top. We've had a couple really great, great interviews, and we've had some that are just so mundane and boring and just like, cool, bro, super cool story, bro. I'm literally going to sleep here and we're discussing one of my favorite fetishes, so let's pick it up, beat up. Let's, let's do it. And again, I come from a place of an emotional sadist, so to get more men to like kind of be like, whoa. I guess it is an emotions base that we're dealing with and just getting in touch with our feelings and you know, like, yeah. I, I see, 

[00:53:02] Gwyn: Like of course it's an emotional, what, what else would it be?

[00:53:07] Master Arch: But ego gets in the way of that. I swing a flogger, I'm dominant. Like, what do you want A medal? Who fucking cares? Who are you aside from that? And it's just that, what can you do for me mentality? Just, oh, you're cute. You think that's valuable? Well, cool. No, but what next? I'm, I'm saying that constantly next cuz it just doesn't serve me. It doesn't bring me fucking joy. It doesn't make me come, it doesn't fucking do whatever. It just, I don't have time for it.

[00:53:35] Gwyn: Right.

[00:53:36] Master Arch: And I don't want to go to the grocery store. I don't wanna go to the grocery store on my fucking money. You know? There's plenty of shit that can be done, 

[00:53:43] Gwyn: Fascinating. So I like to finish the podcast by asking one final question, which is what excites you?

[00:53:51] Master Arch: In what way?

[00:53:52] Gwyn: You pick.

[00:53:54] Master Arch: The corruption of innocence, terminated crystals on a specimen. The way Jojo wakes me up in the morning, the way my little sister's neck feels and smells and warm water and hotel rooms over camping any day.

[00:54:10] Gwyn: Hello? On that last one.

[00:54:13] Master Arch: Like, I don't camp well, but if I'm going somewhere like on tour somewhere, like just coming back to a hotel room that has hot water and like a comfy bed, like that's exciting. Cause you can go out and do what you need to do and come back to that. good. Well, thank you for your time. It's really, really, really awesome meeting you. And thank you for the words on Sex Geek Summer Camp. I'm really looking forward to meeting other people like you and that understand me the way you have, and I just, it's very, I'm blessed, so thank you for being so understanding and giving me the opportunity to say what I need to say.

[00:54:46] Gwyn: Okay. So I know. That you have thoughts and questions after this one. Please take a moment and let me know what they are. I would really love to have some more conversation around this and hear what you are thinking. You can do that easiest at whatexcitesus.com by recording a voice message or sending me an email.

[00:55:09] Gwyn: You could also join the Patreon and tell me there, which you can find also by going to whatexcitesus.com. You could find me on TikTok. I am sexfairygwyn. I am also that on Instagram, even on Facebook. Come find me. Come at me. Tell me what it is that you are thinking and be kind please. Okay. And while I am in the asking you to do stuff for me favors mode, I cannot tell you how much it means to me to see reviews and ratings coming in. If you could just take a second and hit the rate this podcast button on what excites us, or if you're in Spotify or Apple Podcasts, you can easily do it there.

[00:55:54] Gwyn: There are other ones that have ratings. Just do me the favor of rating and reviewing this show. Not this episode. Well, yes, this episode, but also just in general, this show, you have no idea how much that helps, unless you're a podcaster, which of course you know exactly how much it helps, but it helps a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.

[00:56:15] Gwyn: So please take that time. I know. It's hard because you're probably walking your dog or driving or whatever in a space where you're not actually going to easily do that. But if you can remember to come back and rate or review the podcast, it means so much to me. Thank you. And thank you in general.

[00:56:37] Gwyn: I really love doing this and I love communicating with all of you, and I love it when we get to communicate back and forth to each other. I just think it's the coolest thing. Connection I think is the thing that I love the most in this world. 

[00:56:51] Gwyn: What Excites Us is produced, edited, and hosted by me. I'm Gwyn Isaacs, our podcast host is Tickle Life. All the music I use is under the Creative Commons attribution license. The opening song is The Vendetta by Stefan Kartenberg, and this is Quando by Julius H. Thanks for listening, and know that however you express yourself, whatever you're into, as long as you don't harm anyone, and that includes yourself, that's okay.

[00:57:21] Gwyn: You are loved and you wanna know how I know it's because I love you. So thanks for listening and rock on with your bad self.